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hannah ([personal profile] hannah) wrote2012-10-07 10:35 pm

Imaginary storytelling, Supernatural edition: Places to come from, places to go.

This is for [livejournal.com profile] neotoma and [livejournal.com profile] tiny_antares. And everyone who likes fictional anthropology.

I had a moment of great jubilation when I got to the fourth season of Supernatural - not just because the plot was kicking into high gear, not just because of Misha Collins, not just because the effects budget had been increased to about $72 per episode up from $65. A lot of it was from the fact I'd finally found something to fit the premise-in-search-of-a-plot that'd been kicking around my head for a few years.

Then I went and dedicated myself to Team Fortress 2 before I could get a chance to write anything. I did, however, take copious notes on the story idea set off long ago by the phrase "angel sanctuary" - an anime series I knew nothing about save the title, because I find late-90s anime trailers obtuse at the best of times - and might as well get around to sharing them since I don't have to be up early to go to work tomorrow.

With Supernatural, some of it was a reaction against all the fics forgetting angels are, in Castiel's words, "Multidimensional wavelengths of celestial intent" and are instead treated as physical beings - while also giving them characteristics belonging to said multidimensional wavelengths in a way that struck me as internally inconsistent. Too many stories where it wasn't one or the other, or even lacking in a clear set of rules for the story itself. I found myself wanting to read a story that didn't seem to be written yet: something with angels not as wavelengths but entirely physical beings, with fingernails, digestive tracts, oil glands for their feathers, and all that good stuff. Something where - perhaps more importantly than having clearly delineated gestation periods - the culture of the angels was also given attention and care and not just added to as the author felt the story needed. Something set in a world where where angels were in textbooks along with kappas, selkies, and werewolves. And, going with the original story idea, live fairly removed from the rest of the world for their own safety.

In addition to being one of those, "Hey, wouldn't it be neat if...?" stories, the underpinning of this AU would be an exploration of the relationship between Castiel and Sam and Dean, and the impact the brothers' have on angels - and through that lens, the impact of sudden external influence on isolated cultures.

Angels, being highly magical beings, have long been hunted by humans for use in spellcraft and magic - blood, feathers, eggshells, bones. Their original homelands were the Middle East, with them seemingly going extinct in the wild by the time of the Crusades, and went extinct in captivity a couple of decades after that. England and France have the largest collections of skeletons and assorted remains, and will sometimes tap into their dwindling stores if the need is great enough, such as a potion to save the life of the ruling monarch curently ravaged by lung cancer. There are a few bone flutes that still see use, and Sam and Dean were fortunate enough to be in the right place at the right time to hear one played once.

In addition to the shifts regarding angels, hunters are fairly well known in society as well. Somewhere between lawyers and plumbers in terms of prestige, it's a profession that ranges from the well-respected white collar academic to the dirty-fingernailed blue collar monster dispatchers. Mary and Sam Winchester lean towards the former; John and Dean, the latter.

As a side note, I didn't ever take the time to figure out if Mary and John are alive, if it's only Mary who's dead, what happened without an apocalypse two thousand years in the making to give Sam and Dean their current relationship. But I did settle on the Winchesters having a family cabin out in Arizona in the mountains somewhere. Because that's where Dean shoots down Castiel.



As it turns out, angels didn't go extinct in the wild; they managed to move themselves to the Southwestern US, a place so remote and so far from home they figured they'd be safe there to hide for a while. Deliberate exile. A couple hundred, at most, were what was left to move, and they had to rebuild their culture from the ground up. It used to be that angels lived in large, decentralized groups, with families having their own small territories and nests in the greater region. After they began life in hiding, they started to live in centralized villages, banding together for safety. As time went on, this led to a breakdown of the old social order, with the family being dissolved in favor of the society as a whole. There are now about 1800 angels, closer to 1900, the largest the total population has ever been, spread out across seven villages up and down the Rocky Mountains. Children are raised communally, not by their parents, in order to minimize the importance of individual bonds for the sake of the species at large. Pair-bonds, mated pairs, still exist, but as soon as the eggs are laid, they're taken from the mother. Angels always lay a pair of eggs, typically a day or two apart, that are cared for separately based on laying time. They ascribe the four personality types as older brother, older sister, younger brother, and younger sister, with each having its own specific word that communicates a good deal of information about that person. Gabriel and Lucifer, for example, are older brothers, and Raphael is a younger brother. Michael is an older sister. Castiel is a younger sister.

Sexual dimorphism in angels takes a lot from raptors and other birds: they have a ZW chromosome system, with females being the heterogametic ones and the larger and stronger of the two sexes. They also lack external genitals, instead possessing a cloaca roughly where the navel is on a human. The males are the village-keepers that stay and raise the children, and the females are the hunters and protectors. Castiel was traveling between one village and another, disguised as a flock of geese, when Dean shot him down thinking he was just shooting at a flock of geese.

After he finds Cas and takes him to the cabin, after he and Sam secure him in the barn - the two of them there on vacation, because it's a universal truth the Winchesters always need a vacation - they don't believe what they found was a real live angel. To test, they get a little of his blood and pull out one of the oldest recipes in any of the books they've got, something that people don't do anymore because nobody can get their hands on fresh angel blood. But this time, it works, and that's the proof they need.

Sam comments on Dean finding something long thought extinct to the point of myth by shooting it down by accident. Dean isn't amused. It gets worse when Castiel wakes up after two days unconscious and they realize he doesn't speak English and they don't speak Enochian. Sam tries a few words, but it's no good: the pronunciation is off, there's no semblance of grammar or sentence structure, and there's no time to parrot things back-and-forth until something clicks. So Dean tries another spell, something people can do now but tend to avoid because it's risky. It involves cutting his tongue and using the blood from that in a potion, and they manage to get Castiel to drink it - when he does, he has their tongue, and can speak English. It's a very literal translation, though, so when Dean asks him about his navel - something he was poking at when he was out and they were dressing the hole in his wing - Cas doesn't say cloaca, he says sewer, because that's what the word means. Translating figures of speech from the Enochian is a two-step process, from the literal "We might as well eat our eggshells" to the more pragmatic "We're down to clutching at straws." Although, as Cas points out to them, it doesn't communicate the full meaning behind the necessity of such eating, as it's only done when a pregnant mother is extremely sick as a folk remedy.

As Cas heals, they talk more and more, at least after Dean does his full-body heeby-jeeby thing he does after he realizes just where he put his finger. Cas is hesitant to talk, and explains it's because humans are the monsters in the stories he grew up with. The older brother in charge of Cas and his fellow younger siblings told them stories about how humans would hunt them, carve them up, keep them in cages and pull out their feathers that they couldn't fly away and drain their blood that they might not even draw a sigil to free themselves, blast themselves elsewhere.

Before they could talk to each other, they'd watch each other do things neither party understood. Once Cas was up and about as best he could be and wanted to get clean, it was Sam who understood what he was doing first - he was taking a bath. A dust bath. The driveway isn't paved or graveled, just loose, dusty dirt, and the angel was rubbing it in his hair and shaking it out, rubbing it into his feathers, and Sam recognized it from birds. The angel was taking a bath.

Cas never took their option to bathe in water. He never accepted their offer of eating birds, either - other animals that hatch are forbidden to him. They too spend some time sleeping before waking. Mammals are born awake, but creatures that hatch are allowed to dream, to listen to the hum of the world, and that's something which should be respected by not eating them.

The three of them spend a lot of time discussing spellcraft and spellwork and magic, and Cas tells them there's no word for magic in Enochian. What he does - it's not magic. It's just something he can do. But he can do comparatively little now, as he has no grace. When Dean says he thought all angels had grace, Cas has to explain it's not that simple. Since he's alone, apart from the group, he can't be said to have grace. He'd have it again if he was home, with his brothers and sisters, but not alone like this. He can exert influence on the world, but that's not his grace. That's different - it's just something he can do.

From their research, Sam and Dean know angels are one of the few beings in the world that can cast spells instead of just tapping into their inherent abilities. A shapeshifter can copy other people down to the memories, a siren can cast illusions and make people love them, but those aren't like drawing up a spell to to summon a ghost. Those are just things they do. Humans can cast spells to drive out demons and locate people on maps, but have no such inherent abilities. Angels, however, have both. Ritual and craft as well as raw application of power. Which is no small part of why they were hunted to near-extinction.

As Cas heals, he asks to go in the house. When he does, and sees the picture of John and Mary, it leads to another culture clash. Sam and Dean had some idea he was raised by one of his siblings - something Cas finds comfortable about Sam and Dean, the idea it was siblings raising each other, as civilized beings ought to do - without understanding the full extent of it. In modern Enochian, the words for father and mother exist only as nouns to refer to the role in reproduction, and other words for family relationship have almost totally faded from use. When he learns John and Mary are Sam and Dean's father and mother, his immediate reaction is disgust, because he knows John and Mary were incredibly selfish people to keep their children all to themselves like that. It takes a long time for Sam and Dean to understand why Cas is so bothered by the fact that they know their parents, and Cas never manages to understand why the two of them think it's so upsetting he doesn't know who his parents are or that when he has children he won't raise them himself. He knows there was an angel who laid the egg he hatched from, and there was another angel who helped make that happen, and by the time he was three he'd learned to not ask questions about who they were, no matter how curious he was. And when he has children of his own, he'll have the eggs taken from him almost as soon as they're laid.

He explains it to Dean as such: humans sacrifice. Angels relinquish.

When he's well enough to go, he casts a spell alerting some other angels that he's actually alive - when he was shot and struggling to crawl to safety, he put out a spell that declared him dead, that he wouldn't risk others' lives by coming to save him. But now he's well, and he understands Sam and Dean, at least, won't come in with guns and knives to cut his family to pieces, so he calls them that they might come. Six angels arrive, four females and two males, one of whom is the first to step forward and embrace Castiel, someone a good few inches shorter and slighter - his mate, Muriel.

It's not until after his family arrives that Cas does the spell Sam and Dean did to him, giving the two humans his own tongue of Enochian, and they'll never forget the look of joy on his face when they spoke it for the first time - blood ringing in their ears, their tongues boiling, words and ideas rushing through their heads, and even as they swore, Cas simply looked at them, and listened, and asked them to keep talking, say a few words that he could hear someone use his language. But even though he doesn't know the words they use, when Dean finds Muriel grooming Cas' wings, the two of them speaking softly, he understands what they're saying well enough he doesn't intrude. Angels have magnificent hearing - and great eyesight, but very poor senses of smell and taste, or else they never would've gotten that potion down his throat - and they still didn't hear him coming.

Around here, the story broke down somewhat in my head. I never got far beyond that image, partly because of where the canon went and what it started to bring in, and partly because Team Fortress 2 ate my brain. When I consider what would happen next, though, it'd be in the realm of the phrase "angel sanctuary," with everyone understanding if this accident happened, it'll happen again, and the best way to keep that from coming to pass is to educate and inform. Let humans know they're there. Because there's nowhere left to run, there's no place left to hide. And - this is a big hope, something that they used to sustain themselves - if they're known, and protected, then maybe, just maybe, they might be able to go back to where they came from.

It's still something I think about from time to time. There was a lot of time spent on it, and I really would like to read this sometime. And I honestly can't think of a better reason to write a story.

[identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com 2012-10-14 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm really tempted to do something similar for the [livejournal.com profile] gabriel_bigbang -- something in the 'angels are physical beings' line, I mean. Of course, I also want to do a sedoretu marriage fic as well, so who know what I'll do. Maybe combine the two?

[identity profile] hannahrorlove.livejournal.com 2012-10-14 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Is that the one where they lay eggs in giant nests, megapode and crocodillian-style?

If you want help working on the anthropological details, I'd be happy to pitch in.

[identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com 2012-10-14 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
haha! the angel-=megapode fic is going up Wednesday (if I can get it finished -- you wouldn't want to do a last minute beta, would you?)

This one is more of the idea that maybe angels are an endangered species, they're not breeding well because it's hard for a sedoretu to get set up with such a small and widely scattered population, and Gabriel is a captive-reared angel that Jess and Sam are trying to set up with a female from the opposite moiety, except that they're also have to stand in as surrogates for the other heterosexual pair in the sedoretu, because they're just aren't enough angels left for Gabriel and Kali to find two other angels of the appropriate genders and moieties to marry... or something like that.

[identity profile] hannahrorlove.livejournal.com 2012-10-14 10:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I want to, but I don't know how helpful I'd be, or if I had the time. How long is it, and what would you need me to do?

So there's what, barely a three-digit population? Was it hunting that drove the population down, habitat encroachment, disease? How intelligent are they?

This also makes me think of this one turkey vulture at the raptor rehabilitation center I worked at, actually - he was hand-raised by people and imprinted on them, and couldn't live in the wild. Is Gabriel in a similar position? I ask because otherwise I don't think he'd acknowledge Jess and Sam as proper sedoretu participants.

And please tell me Dean is working with Cas somewhere.

[identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com 2012-10-14 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, it's 21K (and I'm still typing, because apparently I work best under pressure :headdesk:), and basically I need spelling/grammar/tense check, and to make sure that I haven't got scenes out of order.

I figure that the population is probably under 5000 for sure -- something that would need management, but not so desperate that they've no choice but inbreeding. And I think it was more likely habitat encroachment and disease than hunting. The angels are human-level intelligent, but a bit more stereotypical, like birds? They have a hard time overcoming some of their maladaptive behaviors, anyway.

Gabriel would have been born in the wild but somehow wound up being raised by humans from a young age (before fledging, and he'd have runaway from his family for some reason, to keep with canon), so he's got a messed-up image of whom he should be looking as mates -- I think Kali was brought from overseas to hopefully add some genetic diversity to the local angel population, but she's not getting along with any of the available proper-gender-and-moiety threesomes that are out there.

I think Dean and Cas are out there somewhere, or maybe Cas is Gabriel's younger brother who is even more fixated on humans as mates, and has decided that Dean is his Night mate, and that they just need to find a nice Day (f/f) couple to marry.

[identity profile] hannahrorlove.livejournal.com 2012-10-14 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
One detail I forgot to put into that wall of notes was that the feathers over the wound where Dean shot down Cas all grow back black, and stick out from pattern on the rest of his feathers. I wonder if something like that happened to Gabriel, assuming he's got wings: injured at an early enough age and far enough distance from other angels humans had to take him in so he wouldn't die. If he ran away, then it'd be easy enough to argue whoever found him contacted the local wildlife services to come help.

Where are the populations found?

If Cas is Gabriel's younger brother, that brings me to thinking about someone finding a cache of unguarded eggs, or that Cas was just unhatched and nearby when they found Gabriel to bring him in. If that's the case, Dean could make a lot of canon-paralleling comments about how Cas is wonderful and kind and careful, but doesn't know how to be an angel.

[identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com 2012-10-14 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I figure that angels live in mountain areas, so Gabriel is probably from the Appalachias somewhere (given that he code-switches in canon, this makes sense). Possibly he was injured or the only member of his family that survived some virulent disease.

Cas could even not be Gabriel's brother, but if his egg was unhatched when found, and he eventually hatched at the place Gabriel was being raised, Gabriel might see him as a younger sibling anyway -- and since Gabriel would have been old, perhaps his helper (as, young unmated birds helping parents raise the next brood) instincts were triggered.

But Cas would be completely spacey as far as 'wild' angels are concerned, since he only had humans and an immature male for a models...

Otoh, Dean working as a angel conservationist? I find that unlikely -- maybe he's the facilities engineer at the sanctuary and Cas takes a liking to him? I think Jess would be the conservationist (since we have no idea what she was studying in canon, why not) and Gabriel develops a sibling-like bond with her, and then a shine to her husband, and just starts thinking of them as an almost-married threesome who just need to find a woman that's in opposite moiety to settle down and start raising young?

[identity profile] hannahrorlove.livejournal.com 2012-10-14 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Bird flu can and does jump the species barrier. And social siblings instead of genetically related ones - I like that. Cas makes for a very good case study for Sam the researcher, specifically demonstrating how instinct can only go so far.

Dean works as the engineer, and every so often helps out with the caring and feeding of the young ones under Jess' supervision. (Why not make them all friends? They could've been friends, we just never learned!)

That last scenario is fairly plausible, given the set-up you have going.

[identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com 2012-10-14 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Bird flu might do it -- especially since birds and mammals can react differently to the same strain. And yes, social siblings, and possibly different moiety-sibs,if a nest is all the young from two females of different moieties together.

I think angels might live longer than humans, since birds tend to live longer than similarly sized mammals. Gabriel looks 40ish, but is actually older and has been one of the consistent failures of the rebreeding program, though they've learned a lot from him and Cas (mostly, what *not* to do).

Kali comes through because she keeps getting in fights with the not-quite-married threesomes and pairs the rebreeding program tries to introduce her to ... but she finally takes a shine to Gabriel, who is after all part of an almost-complete-threesome, even if his two almost-mates are humans. It'd also explain why she disses Dean when he (non-seriously) flirts with her -- if Dean is Sam's brother, and Sam is Gabriel's opposite moiety male mate, than Sam and Dean are both of her moiety and Dean is joking about incest (YUK!).

[identity profile] hannahrorlove.livejournal.com 2012-10-15 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
The angels I have in the original post live much less than humans - Cas is 12 or 14 when he's shot down, and can't conceive of living more than 50-some-odd years, and then only if he's incredibly lucky. The reason there aren't stories of old angels is partly because they don't live as long as people, and partly because they age like reptiles, where once they hit adulthood that's it for the changes. That said, I do like the idea of angels living longer in yours, especially since it means Gabriel and Cas being handed down through the ages, as it were. Angel heirlooms.

What does Cas know of moieties? I imagine Gabriel's information is incomplete, at best, and humans wouldn't necessarily be the best ones to learn from.

[identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com 2012-10-15 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
I was thinking if angels aged like birds, Gabriel might be twice as old as he looks, so he'd have been born around 1930 or so... orphaned around 20ish, so had to put up with 1950s child-rearing and just the beginnings of child psychology and animal behavior (and he would have been studied by both kinds of researchers).

Castiel probably doesn't know much about moieties, but if the moieties have some sort of phenotype that is passed matrilineally -- I was thinking of speculum feathers -- he'd know who was and wasn't in his moiety.

[identity profile] hannahrorlove.livejournal.com 2012-10-15 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, the fifties - I imagine he'd have been tested on wire mothers, and fought to not speak English if he could help it.

A lot of the images I'm thinking of for what you're describing come from my time at the raptor center, of which a good number of the runs and enclosures had only one solid wall, with the rest of it being chain-link fence or whatever. Only a few of the birds were housed together, mostly mated pairs, and the rest kept alone or with others of the species. What's the set-up like for Gabriel and Cas? Are there other angels there?

[identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com 2012-10-15 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
Not wire mothers, I'd hope. I was thinking more along the lines of raising chimps in human homes and trying to teach them speech.

I think that angels are sufficiently human looking that they're not kept in runs so much as dormitories -- the atmosphere I'm imaging is more boarding school, less boarding kennel. Gabriel, being the weird one that they were never able to rehabilitate because they didn't know what they were doing when he came along, does odd jobs around the facility and knows about all the skeletons in everyone's closets.

I figure that there are angels cycling in and out -- especially for broken bones and infections that angels can't take care of on their own, but the stated policy is to get angels back to their home territories if possible, not keeping them at the facility long-term. There are some, Gabriel, Castiel, a few other who were hatched there or orphaned so young that they bonded to their human care-takers, but most of the youngsters that come through now are raised by one of the stable sedoretus that the center has either managed to get going, or who have settled at the center because of the members had medical needs (like a wing amputation) that meant they couldn't go back to their home territory and their spouses wouldn't abandon them.

[identity profile] hannahrorlove.livejournal.com 2012-10-15 02:45 am (UTC)(link)
Ahhh. I see the fine distinction. I also wonder if humans can speak Enochian without the help of a vocal synthesizer or computer.

Gabriel and Castiel are inevitably the weird ones. And what are the protocols on captive-born angels getting released into the wild?

[identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com 2012-10-15 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
Depends. If angels have a syrinx instead of a larynx, they might be able to make two sounds at once, would definitely make Enochian impossible for humans to speech without assistance (or two humans speaking together to make each part of the phonemes, which might be some Sam and Jess learned how to do in college?).

I think the captive-born angels who are raised by other angels get the slow introduction and training to survive in the wild, along with human-built shelters and supplemental feeding (especially their first years).

The center might have tried 'releasing' Gabriel back when he first reached maturity (so, 1970ish) and found that he a) didn't know how to hunt, fish, gather, or even stay out of the rain sufficiently and b) would fly back to the center and bang on the doors irately until they let him in, no matter how far they tried to take him before releasing him. Gabriel's quite convinced that the center is his 'home territory' and since it is well supplied with food, it can support several nests in quite near each other, unlike the territory his parents had when he was small.

[identity profile] hannahrorlove.livejournal.com 2012-10-15 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
Two humans speaking together would sound strange, but passable and reasonably understandable. It'd be a good way to get the two of them together, co-translators.

And that would be when the center realizes what it needs to do next time, to make sure this doesn't happen again. That would be one thing the center does offer no place in the wild can, anymore: that closeness of so many angels together. Humans are more intensely social than angels, and it's something that's rubbed off on Cas, who looks contact and community the way humans do, not the way other angels do. Gabriel understands, and often indulges him.

[identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com 2012-10-15 10:08 am (UTC)(link)
You'd have to be really in sync to be able to do it, and probably have to have prepared what you're going to say beforehand to get the timing right. Translating on the fly probably does require one person using some sort of synthesizer or maybe just a computer with text-to-speech function.

Angels probably have some form of community -- possibly they had the rare get together in bountiful years so that people talk to their distant (instead of next-door) neighbors, enough so everyone had the idea where the appropriate gender-and-moeity youngsters were so that their own children could get married eventually. Inter-angel violence would be rare culturally, because they pretty low on people.

[identity profile] hannahrorlove.livejournal.com 2012-10-15 11:03 am (UTC)(link)
This is an AU. You could give everyone tablets and iPads a couple decades ahead of their time to facilitate conversations in Enochian for the humans involved.

Get-togethers would never be casual, rarely spontaneous; there'd always have to be some reason for the contact, whether it's having children meet in bountiful years or someone needing care for an injury outside their home territory. If there is violence, it'd be ritualized and premeditated, used to settle disputes when words won't do. Maybe a deliberate exchange of blows, or trying to see who can kill some prey first.

Do angels have grace here? Can they do supernatural feats, like blowing out light bulbs and warping reality?

[identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com 2012-10-16 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
actually, it might be fun to have the researchers trying to adapt things like MIDI keyboard to angel vocalization and stuff.

I think I might have to read up more on Australian aboriginal cultures and how they handled things -- because that's low population, low resources, LOTS of territory to cover, but they still managed to have extensive kin-networks.

I'm not sure. They can fly for sure, which is ridiculous given their more-or-less human shaped bodies...

[identity profile] hannahrorlove.livejournal.com 2012-10-16 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
When all else fails, go for what's funny. Up to and including Gabriel mimicking Sam and Jess arguing at each other, at the same time, from one mouth.

That'd be a pretty good source of inspiration to draw from, come to think of it.

So not the level of multidimensional wavelengths of celestial intent, but something there - I'm suddenly liking the idea of the species being on the power level Cas was at when he was first barred of Heaven, which could be workable given the rest of the monsters and magic-users in the canon.

[identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com 2012-10-16 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
Oh god, he totally would. And depending on how the syrinx functions, he might get their voices uncannily accurate -- angels probably move their lips for effect, not for actual sound production.

So, got any suggested reading?

They might be able to heal, or at least perceive damage -- certainly they can perceive supernatural influence directly, instead of having to look for sulphur and cold spots like humans do. I have this idea that Axial Age cultures like Greece and Egypt used captive angels as oracles...

[identity profile] hannahrorlove.livejournal.com 2012-10-16 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
There are some lovely recordings of all four members of a sedoretu singing in harmony with each other - they're actually released as albums available for purchase, and people buy them in stores from time to time, not just when they're at the center. The gift shop is tiny, but it's there, because you've always got to have a little shop.

Not right now, no. But I can look around and ask later, if you remind me.

They can heal inflicted damage on themselves and others, but fighting a virus is a very different beast than setting a bone or repairing blood loss - it requires a deeper understanding of what a virus is, what it does to the body, and how to eliminate the entirety of the infestation. And as for things like wing amputations, well, they could heal a broken wing, but with a wing gone, there's nothing to heal. And yes to them as oracles, and going one farther, having them trained to fight the things they find for the humans taking care of them whether they wanted to or not.

Some spells they need to be taught, what ingredients to get and what incantations, and some spells they don't even call spells. Even Cas knows some of the things he does aren't magic. It's just something he can do.

[identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com 2012-10-16 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
I'd certainly appreciate any resources you might be able to suggest once you have time to think about it.

ooo, I can imagine CDs of angels singing being not just a novelty item, but maybe a large money-maker for the rebreeding program -- angel singers, especially a mated square as guest performers at prestigious symphonies? Gabriel probably is a well known singer, if only because he had the most opportunities for a musical education to human expectations -- but he doesn't tour anymore/often because he hates leaving his home territory and they can just come to his recording studio at the research center?

For some reason I have this thought that maybe Cas runs the gift shop with his usual precision...

Blood loss might not even be a huge thing for them, if they're sufficiently bird-like. Pigeons can lose a percentage of their blood that would outright kill a mammal and still be fine.

Oracles, and supernatural guardians -- the Byzantines thought the archangels were spiritual bodyguards for the royal family, so maybe in this world it was true -- captive-reared angels as status symbols at royal courts?

Cas probably has a lot of talent in the area of magic, especially once 'wild' angels start coming through and teaching him things. The research center might be the site of a

[identity profile] hannahrorlove.livejournal.com 2012-10-16 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
The NYPL has a massive amount of stuff to read, most of it good. It's usually a matter of finding ways to narrow the search results down to manageable levels.

Since it's supposed to be used for recording the language as it's spoken, the studio needs a bit of engineering for the proper fidelity to capture singing. Gabriel was one of the first singers recorded in a situation like that, not going out into the wild and hoping for something good. He sang lullabys to himself when he was first taken into the center, to sooth himself and remember his lost parents. He taught what he remembered to Cas.

Cas runs the gift shop sometimes. Dean's usually there when he is - yay, indoor work that's mostly sitting - and manages to charm most people into spending twice as much money.

You cut off a bit at the end there. And yes to captive-bred angels as a status symbol, especially if they stay in the family for several generations. The poaching continued for a number of centuries, actually, which is one of the factors that led to the modern decline.

[identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com 2012-10-16 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, Gabriel would have some fun with the engineering -- an excuse to buy himself more toys? He'd love it. Otoh, I wonder if angels find digital formats offputting, since if they're much more aural/vocal that humans, they might find that slight loss of information in digital records is irritating to them.

Ah, I can just imagine some researchers getting Alan Lomax et al into the research center to record Gabriel singing as a child. This is especially funny because I have this idea that angel chicks are impossible to sex until they reach at least the fledging stage and get their immature-adult feathers. The researchers might have thought Gabriel was a girl until he hit adolscence and developed male-patterned wings.

Dean would totally charm people in the gift shop. Cas would be a whiz at figuring out what to stock, and kind of bad at actually selling it to people?

Gabriel might have wound in the hands of poachers, or poachers might have been how his family caught the flu... let me think about that.

And what I meant to say is that the research center might be the focal point of a new angel quadriennial gathering, because there's always food, there's always new angels to meet and greet and consider marrying -- it probably developed a reputation as a safe place sometime after they figured out how to successful rehab and release angels.

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